The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. Hollow points sacrifice penetration for larger wound channel . Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. the 45 Colt has the advantage. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. BTW chest rig is way to go with X frame revolvers. Lion hides or heads without seals become state property. Any wildlife that is killed will remain the property of the state and will be reported to the division within five days. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. elk Question whats your life worth to you. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . The shop will have something to shoot almost every time regardless of where you are. Ill take the capacity of an auto loader in 45 Super, 10mm or Rowland any day. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. Even had to qualify with it if you carried it as part of your job duties. I would want a 45 cal or at least a 9mm double action semi-auto with a chambered cartridge every time. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. RIP ammo is fine against flesh, as in human flesh. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. great chose but as always ,, we forget the 41 magnum.. 454=1 44=2 and that family on that show Alaska running around with them 10mm auto are waiting to be eating by a Big Brown bear. A rabid animal is something you do not even want to touch. He said not really. One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. Carry to fit your states wild life? Good responses. Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. That being said, I would carry both. A 10mm Glock is not going to be too . Id be packing heat. This one took exception.) .357, .44 mag, 10mm. I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Protect your neck, throat, and head. Moutain Lions arent bear-zombie-meat-tanks. Brutal to shoot, but effective. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. It definitely works. and the 45 colts are equal if used in modern stout pistols. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. That accounted for its lethargic behavior when it quietly approached they boy and his cousin near a river in Arizonas Tonto National Forest. Yes! You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. This makes cougars great jumpers, able to leap from the ground 18 feet up into a tree. Bears, wild critters, thats all very nice and fluffy. So, perhaps .45 colt is NOT the best choice for a bear. Mountain lion facts. The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. I live in Alaska and Ive turned a Glock 21 into a 460 Rowland. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. For those not familiar with this gun, think Dirty Harry. The .44 Magnum is definite bear medicine. Good stuff. They could see the best place to setup before the Mosquito came out. white-tailed deer Im sure that by now youve all heard about famous Alaskan bear guide Phil Shoemaker (grizzlyskinsofalaska.com) , who thwarted a grizzly attack with a Smith & Wesson 9mm automatic, loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast ammunition. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. having confidence in your weapon. I hope you dont take anybody with you in these fantasy hikes with your hair spray. We now have on earth more humans than were ever born since the beginning of mans evolution and with the masses of excess pollution we have already destroyed the planet we are living on. CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. Why not? death by wild beast is now becoming more common. Remember one thing in Bear country. When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. I saw one 200 yards from my home while deer hunting several years ago. Most hotels in Kalispell, Montana have a supply of bear spray on hand, which they will lend out to guests who wish to go hiking. coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! And maybe just maybe you walk away on the top side of the ground. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. Stupidity has no limits ! +P Semi-Wadcutter HP Ammo [38G] - $20.95 Or if you are really recoil sensitive these would work pretty well, non-plus p and low velocity. bullets would probably only allow one shot, one handed. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. Most exhibit the same irrational fear of bears as the rest of the country and irrational fear does little to generate rational ideas. 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. .38spl are pretty light loads. Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. The child was scratched by the cats paw when the lion was spooked by gunfire. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. Schalow was 10 years old at the time. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! He said none. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. I wasnt sure if the .357 was really optimal for bear spanking as my father, a hunter and 23 year US Army Combat Veteran would say and couldnt bring myself to splurge on either 10mm or something in the .44 magnum ranges. You can keep the Roland! I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. Outdoors. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. your comments hold great weight with me!! She hid, and downed it with one behind the ear at very close range, and followed up with five more (all the bullets she had) to make sure. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. The +P shoots a bit higher than the standard 44mag rounds. .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. Not only does it take time to shoot, but it's also not enough to stop a cougar from coming at you. had the game warden not had his .357 Magnum holstered on his person the Grizzly They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. I think any handgun is insufficient for grizzly, but having spent countless hours hunting and fishing, carrying a shotgun or rifle 100% of the time just isnt realistic. just my 2 cents. I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. I probably keep the fine folks at Magpul in business with my 50, 40 and 30 mag purchases. The result was a dead dog with one of the bears and almost a dead friend with one of the hogs. I have concerns with shooting the higher pressure .45 LC rounds, like the Buffalo Bore 325 grain load. Watch on. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. Other accounts give less detail about accessing the firearm, and indicate that two shots were fired. The video shows the mountain lion sneaking up around a corner behind an unsuspecting deer and rapidly tackling it to the ground, before dragging it off by its neck. This I know from personal experience! With that said, feel free to carry bear spray if you want. You have to be a reloader or know a reloader to get this, but it is well worth it. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. Carry the biggest freaking Gun you can shoot very very well ! An old farm fence stopped the bear at 11 yards and gave me the chance to get that cap on. bobcats Carrying a 9mm, 10mm, 45 acp, etc. He told the cameraman Ive killed bears with this gun. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. Conflicts between mountain lions and humans have become more common in recent years due to habitat degradation and increasing populations. Local dog hunters said lion are easy to kill and they use a 22lr pistol. You must have a glutton for punishment! I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. I believe he used a 9mm. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. A glock 20 (10 mm) has 16 rounds and with the correct ammo is pushing 41 magnum range. A moose attacked me on my property when I first moved here, but it was because I was trying to get close enough for a good picture really DUMB! Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. Just my thoughts!! The Creator has a great plan, and I do not really miss the dodo bird or the carrier pigeon. There is a lot of nonsense out on the internet from people who have never seen a bear and have probably never cut up a dead critter to see what a bullet will do. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. This account from the Camp Verde Bugle, also says there were two shots. Full power 10mm anyone? I hope that you had a good camera and a long lens to shoot it. The reverse is not true. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. bear which turned on him. Caliber: 357 or better. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. What to do? If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. I remember clearly, back in 2002, while surveying in the foothills of the Berkshires a young employee came running up from the point he was supposed to locate, toward the survey instrument I was running. May 24, 2022 Alexis. It is likely this mountain lion killed the lambs as they are readily available. Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. The mountain lion known as P-56 was killed January 27, 2020. My colleague and friend Bryce Towsley (brycetowsley.com) is a veteran gun writer who has considerable experience with bears of all sorts. Big hand guns buck like a mule, and even though adrenaline is flowing, that big gun will jump and you will have to push hard for that second shot, The .460 Roland doesnt rise as much as the .45 Colt. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. Magnum Research 45-70 isnt bad either ! I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. Youre 100% correct. I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. shop reading and start thinking. Ill try 180s on my next cat. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, Which one are you going to use first? They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. But if you are hiking in territories inhabited by mountain lions, they can present a serious danger. Anyway, Ive had my share of sleepless nights in a tent in Alaska and try to heed to basics keep food well away from camp, cook away from camp, dont camp on trails, avoid cubs like the plague, if approached give ground, etc. I shoot a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4 in ss I love it. Thats why I would always plan to have with me.a friend who could not run as fast as me!!!!! Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. Its lack of weight had me cringing at first, expecting some wrist-wrenching recoil, but I was pleasantly surprised with the manageability of the K6s. While not nearly as large as a puma, Ive shot three rabid racoons around here. As an outdoorsman, I enjoy being afield in all sorts of capacities. Since Proposition . hard cast bullets the 44 Mag. Needless to say, the culprits were evicted, the wing was evacuated and the room needed to be completely gutted and refinished. Deerfield, IL School Superintendent Violates Illinois Law With Gun Control Call To Action, Armed Self-Defense Chronicles: When a Detroit Doctor Defended Himself and His Family Against a Racist Mob. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. I like the S&W 460 as well. A 629 classic 44 Mag. That wont be possible until my kids are out of college, though. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. Regarding my loads, Im partial to a 230 grain Federal Hydra-Shok jacketed hollowpoint staggered with 230-grain lead cast bullet, one following the other, the first round out of the magazine a Hydra-Shok. Its got the velocity, but wonder if it would have the penetration? If there is any wind at all, the fog will only travel about 3 feet before it turns and drifts in the direction of the wind. They understood the dangers. In the melay to draw his weapon he had hit the magazine release and his magazine fell out. For the most part, good info. not litter the landscape. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. On average, a mountain lion killed one deer a week. The early anthropologists visiting Alaska, brought back numerous polar bear skulls with a 22 rimfire hole in the top. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. I dont know anything about bears .but the comment about butchering hogs was funny to me . All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. The Freedom Arms Model 83, in .454 Casull, in a serious piece of gear. Folks need to realize that most .45 Colt cases are not strong enough to handle those high pressure loads even if the gun could. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. coyote-wolf hybrids We could provide billions of data bytes and not help with our purpose and goals. If you choose a 9mm in bear country, you dont want hollow points but maybe something like Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetratorwith its solid copper bullet. Can mountain lions jump? Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. Ive hunted brown bear three times with a hand gun only. where do you come up with this bullshit. We were given dominance over the animals, and we all got here at the same time. Definitely not in the same category as a Mounain lion. 9mm & 38? A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. Teardrop-shaped toes. Until its needed. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. Not back in the camper because its too heavy or bulky. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. Powerful but lower recoil than a .454 Casull, .460 or a .500 S&W. Excellent article! The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. 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