bell beaker physical type

-Why is it that prevalence of R1b in Western Europe is significant, but prevalence of R1b in Bashkirs, Uyghurs, Chadians and Bedouins is not? "Southern" component in comparison to "West Asian" has netted two entirely different results, by region and group isolates.k12b versus k7b "Southern"-"South West Asian" components, conflicting results. newtoboard, No one in their right mind would say R1b is not Asian. (Their culture is often called the Bell-Beaker culture.) http://cof.quantumfuturegroup.org/events/5425. www.rdmag.com/uploadedImages/RD/News/2011/11/Genographic1.jpgThis map best illustrates the migration. The different styles and decorations of the ceramics which succeed through the time allow to split the Beaker culture in Sardinia into three chronological phases: A1 (2100-2000 BC), A2 (2000-1900 BC), B (1900-1800 BC). > This is no "special pleading", it is a rational explanation for the observed data.The special pleading is in ignoring k12 and focusing on k7 in order to find some "missing" element. American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Vol. After 2000 BC, other copper sources supersede Ross Island. However, a larger study by Roostalu et al. As mentioned before, their lack of West Asian contrasts with their Indo-European neighbors who possess it.It is not impossible for a particular lineage to come to be associated with different autosomal components, with Y-haplogroup E being the most pertinent example.OK, but the dissassocation is complete. The question is when. Question:"Is it possible then that R1b came up from North Africa up the coast of Iberia and then across the Bay of Biscay, and not directly from the East? But wouldn't the trb outbreed the local hunter gathers to much to create modern Swedes?princenuadha, I am pretty sure the TRB women analyzed was a recent Megalithism immigrant and not at all representative of TRB, which at that time (and even 500 years before then) probably looked like LBK highly admixed with the local (northern German/ southern Scandinavian) population. I won't be at all surprised if Beaker samples turn up substantially "West Asian" in autosomal ancestryThe fact that the farmer was so distinct creates an interesting dynamic. This database, Didn't the Atlantic folk reach Scandinavia? type of the Bell Beaker – Csepel group in phase II. Liberals dont like the idea that human progress was driven by invasions, conquest, ethnic dominance, group loyalty and cultural superiority. It is too small a sample to start drawing any conclusions, but if it turns out mtDNA H arrived after R1b, it seems difficult to explain a large scale migration of H to Europe without some migration of y-DNA at the same time.I've assumed that y-DNA could expand in a population more rapidly that mtDNA.It is possible that there could have been multiple waves of R1b and H arrived with later waves.It is also possible that U5 could have been present in the Near East/Anatolia and that some U5 found in Europe today is a result of neolithic expansion, and U5a1 seems a possible candidate for a neolithic migrant. But my reading of the literature is that STRs are largely misleading in trying to work out ancestral roots and branches. Instead of being pictured as a fashion or a simple diffusion of objects and their use, the investigation of over 300 sites showed that human groups actually moved in a process that involved explorations, contacts, settlement, diffusion, and acculturation/assimilation. There are two main international Bell Beaker styles: the “All Over Ornamented” (AOO), patterned all over with impressions, of which a sub-set is the “All Over Corded” (AOC), patterned with cord-impressions, and the “Maritime” type, decorated with bands filled with impressions made with a comb or cord. Groups like Assyrians don't have Northern European admixture but Europeans do have West Asian admixture. How is that populations like Irish and Basque with such high levels of R1b have 0% west-asian ?? So, do let's forget about the hypothetical "drift".That argument wasn’t in response to you, but to others who brought up genetic drift. Before sacrifice. (in short Recently, the concept of this food vessels was discarded and replaced by a concept of two different traditions that rely on typology: the bowl tradition and the vase tradition, the bowl tradition being the oldest as it has been found inserted in existing Neolithic (pre-beaker) tombs, both court tombs and passage tombs. > well, i’d rather not say on the innerwebs. This apparent evidence of migration was in line with archaeological discoveries linking Beaker culture to new farming techniques, mortuary practices, copper-working skills, and other cultural innovations. Oetzi again was 22.3% Caucasus, you seem to ignore that, when it is convenient. Really, we need DNA from Megalithic and Bell Beaker sites of the British Isles. However, more details on the strategies for tending and slaughtering the domestic animals involved are forthcoming. http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.htmlAs of today the R1b-tree-ISOGG 2012:R-M269> L23> L150...All three of these markers have a presence in the area in and around Kromsdorf. Can the individual mtdna groups be associated with localities in any way that might suggest a migration path (albeit without a known direction)? R1b is not the only haplogroup that may have transmitted the "West_Asian" component into Europe; for example, J2 is a much more likely agent for it in Greece and Italy.2. (4) R1b. before you make use of this Database. Is I consdidred nativew European? It came from multiple sources.The challenge explicitly questioned that it could have become ~10% in the British Isles and Scandinavia from any source other than R-M269.So, I repeat, if not R-M269 then what? It is not. Noteworthy was the adoption of European-style woven wool clothes kept together by pins and buttons in contrast to the earlier usage of clothing made of leather and plant fibres. The LN I metalwork is distributed throughout most of Denmark, but a concentration of early copper and gold coincides with this core region, hence suggesting a connection between Beakers and the introduction of metallurgy. "No one in their right mind would say R1b is not Asian." Such an arrangement is rather derivative of Corded Ware traditions, although instead of ‘battle-axes’, Bell Beaker individuals used copper daggers. The Bell Beaker culture (or, in short, Beaker culture) is an archaeological culture named after the inverted-bell beaker drinking vessel used at the very beginning of the European Bronze Age.Arising from around 2800 BC, it lasted in Britain until as late as 1800 BC but in continental Europe only until 2300 BC, when it was succeeded by the Unetice culture. The preferred method of burial seems to have been singular graves and cists in the east, or in small wedge tombs in the west. "I won't be at all surprised if Beaker samples turn up substantially "West Asian" in autosomal ancestry, both because of the ultimate origin of R1b and their distinctive physical type that has its closest parallels to the highlands of West Asia.I'm sorry, but no. The fact is West Asians and European groups have M269. A gold ornament found in County Down that closely resembles a pair of ear-rings from Ermegeira, Portugal, has a composition that suggests it was imported. So there were farming women, similar the S. Europeans, in Sweden. Sardinia has been in contact with extra-insular communities in Corsica, Tuscany, Liguria and Provence since the Stone Age. So what is it more likely that Basques’ autosomal West Asian got drifted away, or that Armenians’ autosomal European component got drifted away? The same technologies were used in the Tagus region and in the west and south of France. The Bell Beaker phenomenon in the Iberian Peninsula defines the late phase of the local Chalcolithic and even intrudes in the earliest centuries of the Bronze Age. Three of them were carbon dated to the first half of the 3rd millennium BC. Balearic Islands. languages formerly quite large in Southwest Europe, even to recent prehistorical times? An overview of all available sources from southern Germany concluded that Bell Beaker was a new and independent culture in that area, contemporary with the Corded Ware culture. In 1984, a Beaker period copper dagger blade was recovered from the Sillees River near Ross Lough, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. (2005). There is virtually no evidence in Sardinia of external contacts in the early second millennia, apart from late Beakers and close parallels between Bonnannaro pottery and that of the North Italian Polada culture. Life was always hard for boys, far fewer young males made it to adulthood than girls. Race, ethnicity, class, status, intelligence, strength, good looks, marital competence, cultural capacity: all these are nothing or can be acquired by anyone. http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/hammerfsiinpress.pdfDienekes said:R1b is associated with different autosomal components even if we discount West Asia altogether: Italians and Germans are both R1b dominant populations in which different autosomal components predominate.Germans have R1b at a frequency of 44%, which varies from 48.5% in South Germany to 36% in Northern and Eastern Germany, that isn’t dominance in my book. Historical craniometric studies found that the Beaker people appeared to be of a different physical type than those earlier populations in the same geographic areas. By this time the Rhine was on the western edge of the vast Corded Ware zone. Most British beakers come from funerary contexts. The beaker pottery of Ireland was rarely used as a grave good, but is often found in domestic assemblages from the period. Indeed, beakers are just not found east of central europe. The original Bell Beaker's were also either blood type A or O as well as having R1b, and low or no Afro-Asiatic "B" evident among the Irish and Basque. Des milliers de livres avec la livraison chez vous en 1 jour ou en magasin avec -5% de réduction . [recent migrants by boat]2]West-Asian and R1b. ).I do see genetic evidence in favor of an east to west migration of r1b in Europe, implying that r1b came north of the black sea. Yet there are elevated levels of Gedrosia in Pakistan and elevated levels of mtDNA U5. A few burials seem to indicate social status, though in other contexts an emphasis to special skills is more likely. 2010). In the Carpathian Basin the Bell Beaker culture came in contact with communities such as the Vučedol culture, which had evolved partly from the Yamna culture, and therefore shared the same type of metallurgy practised by Bell Beaker metal-workers. Dienekes said:Autosomal components don't get "drifted away" except in your fantasy-land as an excuse for explaining away what cannot be easily explained.Even if drift was an issue -which it is not- Armenians are much more genetically diverse than Basques and do not particularly differ in that respect from their immediate neighbors. Now that you mentioned, it's also in southern Italy that we find the greatest diversity in Italic (branch-wise, not in number of languages), and it's also in the Aegean that we find the greatest diversity in Greek (again, branch-wise). They were subsequently widely adopted in other parts of Europe (Schuhmacher 2002), possibly showing a change in the technology of warfare. Personally I dont yet have a strong opinion on the source/s and path/s of R1b and would love to know. A series of copper mines from here are the earliest known in Ireland, starting from around 2500 BC (O’Brien 2004). Some features that are found elsewhere in association to later types of Earlier Bronze Age Beaker pottery, indeed spread to Ireland, however, without being incorporated into the same close and specific association of Irish Beaker context. "There are at least seven historic divisions of Europe along these lines (and I'm sure I've missed some):Also Western v. Eastern NeanderthalAlso LBK v. Cardial PotteryAlso Vinca v. Megalithic(Corded Ware v. Bell Beaker)(Indo-European Satem v. Centum)Also Orthodox v. Western ChristianAlso Capitalist v. CommunistThere is a natural geographic West-East divide in Europe that naturally produces these kinds of divisions. Has anyone considered the Gallic invasions of the Balkans, Greece and finally settling in Anatolia to have had an impact on R1b in those locations? Deal with it. Bell Beaker is not necessarily a new immigration from outside Europe, it can be an indigenius culture risen from a local Megalithic subgroup. Settlements link the Southern German Bell Beaker culture to the seven regional provinces of the Eastern Group, represented by many settlement traces, especially from Moravia and the Hungarian Bell Beaker-Csepel group being the most important. First of all, have I ever said anything about Iberian continuity, second of all, if showing my skepticism to your rather huge theories which are often built from very small evidence is a crime, then I’m guilty. Perhaps Corded Ware retaliated in kind, capturing Beaker women. I haven't* seen archeological evidence which strongly suggests a "northern route", at least not as strong as the genetic, but I haven't seen any archeological evidence in face of a southern route.Corrected. "You did not answer the challenge. And 5.000 ybp is still far from being "stone age stuff". I won't be at all surprised if Beaker samples turn up substantially "West Asian" in autosomal ancestry, both because of the ultimate origin of R1b and their distinctive physical type that has its closest parallels to the highlands of West Asia. The modern day population of Alava is above 300,000 that represent an increment of 6 folds in 500 years, if that isn’t rapid growth then I don’t know what it is. "Bell Beaker pottery spread across western and central Europe beginning around 2750 BCE before disappearing between 2200-1800 BCE. There are many people who are absolutely certain of the "fact" that R1b and mtDNA H are Paleolithic European in origin based simply on the fact that they are found at high frequencies in Europe today, so the point does need to be made over and over that there is little, if any, evidence supporting that theory. Especially considering the diversity levels of what remains of R1b in that area. In its latest phase (c. 1750-1300 cal BC) the local Beaker context became associated with the distinctive ornamented Boquique pottery demonstrating clear maritime links with the (megalithic) coastal regions of Catalonia, also assessed to be directly related to the late Cogotas complex. Looks like my hypothesis that modern Europeans derive from Neolithic (including those Swedish hunters/fishers) movement of peoples from the east of Europe, and post Neolithic movements baring the Finno-Ugrian and Indo-European languages along with the ability to drink raw milk, withstand the Plague (and HIV infections) and light pigmentation is coming true. To me, the local origin of that is therefor clearly pre-neolithic. Instead, quite different customs predominated in the Irish record that were apparently influenced by the traditions of the earlier inhabitants. no mt U5 of Mesolithic origin contributing to the Bell Beaker folksPonto, not according to Figs. Nonetheless, let us not forget about drift in people from Alava (not Basques in general because we have no Y-DNA data from Guipuzcoa or Vizcaya dating back to the VI or VII century ). They could have been a bridge between Yamnaya on their east and Austria/Southern Germany to their west, through which Yamnaya dialects spread from Hungary into Austria and Bavaria, where they later developed into Proto-Celtic. (2015) concluded that R1b was very likely spread into Europe from the Pontic-Caspian steppe after 3,000 BCE by the Yamna people, putative Proto-Indo-Europeans under the Kurgan hypothesis. It would seem that there is some evidence that people may have been using some kind of head binding, sothey may not have naturally had such round skulls as once thought. Both beeing 50%. The most curious thing about this group to me is its complete lack of H. This is very, very late neolithic. It has recurred multiple times with some degree of independence of causation from previous lines of division. "(on the suggested lack of U5 continuity): That statement by the authors is not even supported by their own data. Migration vs. acculturation. From the late third millennium BC on, comb-impressed Beaker ware, as well as other Beaker material in Monte Claro contexts, has been found (mostly in burials, such as Domus de Janas), demonstrating continuing relationships with the western Mediterranean. An example might be as part of a prestige cult related to the production and consumption of beer, or trading links such as those demonstrated by finds made along the seaways of Atlantic Europe. Stable URL: If you look at the behaviour of Gaelic chiefs in Ireland even after conversion to Christianity you see a pattern of them serially marrying and divorcing many wives and also fathering children by other women and that all their male heirs, legitimate and illegitimate, compete with each other for recognition as their father's successor. The special pleading is in ignoring k12 and focusing on k7 in order to find some "missing" element. The initial moves from the Tagus estuary were maritime. Cremation was also common. I am one of the people who thinks the "cline" in the most basal types of European R1b is definitely showing SE Europe to be older.However, west of the Rhine and the Alps is not only younger, but a whole different world of R1b. But you seem to ignore what’s not convenient in your Iberian continuity la-la-land.Is that the best you can throw at me? See also our In the K7b run, Saudi Arabia/Yemeni Jews have elevated "Southern" component 60%+/-. However, not all Beakers were drinking cups. To be fair.The whole of North Africa is missing from Myres map. They can be a completely different story. is certainly a possibility. The characteristics of the Beaker People are virtually identical to Adena. "Can the individual mtdna groups be associated with localities in any way that might suggest a migration path (albeit without a known direction)? Beer and mead content have been identified from certain examples. Sons or doughters had been set to random. That remains true even in the most PC countries like the US and the UK: even here people do not marry in the "random" way that liberals would like. Turek sees late Neolithic precursors in northern Africa, arguing the Maritime style emerged as a result of seaborne contacts between Iberia and Morocco in the first half of the third millennium BCE. That is pretty much a contradiction, or very unlikely to say the least. In the northwest and in the Palermo kept almost intact its cultural and social characteristics, while in the south-west there was a strong integration with local cultures. Bell Beaker sites of the Csepel type around Budapest, west of the Yamnaya settlement region, are dated about 2800-2600 BCE. The main work on Bell Beaker physical anthropology has centered on the skeletons found with Beaker pottery in Central and Western Germany where five main types of skulls were sorted out. Physical and genetic anthropology Saying "multiple sources" is to say that it came with any of the haplogroups mentioned in my comments, and with which it cannot have come, for the reasons I mentioned: J2 is too rare, G is associated with early Neolithic that appears West_Asian-deficient, I is European-centered and rare in West Asia.So, I repeat, if not R-M269, then what? Several regions of origin have been postulated, notably the Iberian peninsula, the Netherlands and Central Europe. Bell Beaker culture VII.7.1. Hopefully this one will be. Last i read they did so i am not surprised that neolithic Swedish farmer would resemble southern european. A poorly written Ad Hominem? And side dalliances appear to have been part of the picture. The Bell Beaker settlements are still little known, and have proved remarkably difficult for archaeologists to identify. In the Iberian Peninsula this AOC type was traditionally restricted to half a dozen scattered sites in the western Pyrenees, the lower Ebro and the Spanish east coast: especially a vessel at Filomena at Villarreal, Castellón (Spain), has parallels with the decoration. Radiocarbon dating currently indicates a 1200-year duration for the use of the Beaker pottery on the Balearic Islands, between c. 2475 BC and 1300 BC (Waldren and Van Strydonck 1996). Polls are supposed to be kind of fun. 4, p. 571. In accordance with anthropological evidence, it has been concluded the Bell Beakers intruded in an already established form the southern part of Germany as much as the East Group area. (2011) Arredi et al. Given that most of the Neolithic immigration waves ultimately came from somewhere around West Asia, probably most of them brought some West Asian elements. The evidence is sufficient to support the suggestion that the initial spread of Maritime Bell Beakers along the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, using sea routes that had long been in operation, was directly associated with the quest for copper and other rare raw materials. It appears likely that Sardinia was the intermediary that brought Beaker materials to Sicily. I think these patterns of one male haplogroup and multiple female haplogroups probably do represent patriarchal society. The whole of North Africa is missing from Myres map. I get the distinct feeling that people think that there could only have been one person in the beginning with a specific mutation in their DNA. Patrilineal signals of Austronesian expansion in m... Late glacial recolonization of Europe from Near Ea... Genetic structure of North-East Sardinia (Pardo et... 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